Its awesome because the animators of Build Fighters essentially created a proxy battle between gundam protagonists and it ended with the one having the Freedom's signature stock footage not resulting in a win for the Freedom. Its all the more awesome because the animators chose one of Amuro's older Mobile suits to overcome Kira's second strongest, so this reinforces the point in the story that its about the pilots skill and not just the MS.
Actually, the scene points out that simply relying on the suit's characteristics on the show will get you dead in gunpla battle; It's been shown at least 2 times: once with the Gyan v Wing battle, and the other during this scene.
I don't really see the point here; and it basically is a gauge on whether you're mature enough or not, because most mature people would get the lesson of customizing your gunpla over leaving it stock; rather than fanboying it up.
The GIF was good though, I wish they could've used Amuro's Zeta Pilot suit though
Freedom vs Dijeh is a battle of the animated 2nd MS. And just in the 1st EP, there're several examples that skills and knowing your own machine can get you wins. Sei's dad won the championship with an RX-78 and moves that complement the machine.
On a side note, I prefer the original Dijeh colors for some reason.
Oops, yeah, 2nd most experienced after Char. Though I keep forgetting Char's a Newtype since IIRC, he was only shown getting the flash thing and using bits/funnels but was never able to communicate telepathically, communicate with the dead, or show physical manifestation of his powers
what? G gundam? seriously? the first alternate universe (future century) the first regenerating gundam (dark gundam, master gundam) the first sniper type gundam (john bull) schwarz bruder bruder (ninja + german) maxter gundam (boxer + cowboy + surfer) rx-78-2, gp01, gp02, f91, V, V2, wing, talqeese, crossbone X-1, Zambot 3, Daitarn 3, L-Gaim Mark II
and you just said "G Gundam is the worst series ever" okay then, up to you
then go into Dynasty Warriors Gundam 3 where Amuro and Kira team up vs an entire platoon of enemy M.S and a Big Zam at one end to massacre the entire lot of them. epic scenes indeed!
what can i say, amuro wins easily against kira, put amuro in any MS and kira in the strike freedom, and kira will be killled as easily as how this gif goes ahahahahahhahaha, well, probably with the exception of a ball unit
It goes to show you what a piece of shit SEED is when it gets chopped up in half by superiority. It really makes you think. "Man, SEED was such a fucking piece of shit."
Maybe this will make the seedfags shut the hell up with their 12 year old minds. GOD FUCKING SPEED
You're cheering for a drawing as though it proved anything in reality and have the nerve to call others 12-year olds? The irony is so delicious. Please continue arguing about whose cartoon boyfriend is tougher. This is awesome.
An animated gif is a series of pictures. Since those pictures aren't photographs, they are drawings. Thus, you are cheering for a drawing. Goddamn you're stupid.
No more like his EGO is that thick that why he survives all the time and because he like to force his and Lacus bullshit logic down other people throats and they must conform to those ideals and if they don't they are considered the enemy.
Hey, look Freedom is exactly as crap as I thought it would be. I will never understand why Bandai keeps trying to revamp Seed and Seed Destiny, no matter how much you try and make it look cool, nothing will be more laughable than Seed's attempt at drama.
I give their Mobile Suits a 5/10 they're all really corny and cliche. Aside from the GPB Series, Seed has to be the second loudest in the screaming contest that is "BUY OUR FUCKING TOYS, LOOK AT ALL THE STUPID SHIT IT DOES." This wouldn't be a problem if they weren't a main series.
I give their Story a 3/10 This story is the epitome of laughable. There was no real story-telling to be had here. Gundam Seed's entire gimmick was that it was almost directly referencing every part of original Mobile Suit Gundam. At first I found it fun, seeing someones reiteration of what has been done until I found out from looking at Seed's side stories and realizing "Oh my god...This is their Fuck-it-bin" And by that I mean anything that doesn't line up with UC or any of the other timelines most likely ends up here, things that were about a day late and a buck short. Seed itself was okay, whiny, pretentious and emo, but manageable until the end. It was Seed Destiny where I clapped my hands and yelled "Done!" Because this was the pinnacle of ridiculousness for me, every bit of that story had me feeling embarrassed either for it or myself for watching it. This is the Gundam Series I would give to a whiny child who's having a bad day and tell them "No matter what you do, it will never be as bad as this". However i can admit that Shinn is slightly more likable than Kira in the same regard that getting tazed is better than getting shot.
Yeah, because UC never tried to sell a kit or toy. What should a mobile suit be able to that isn't "stupid shit"? Keeping in mind that you're describing the capabilities of something that doesn't actually exist.
And UC gave us such wonderful stories like G-Saviour: the worst thing ever to come out of the Gundam franchise. Seed/Destiny doesn't even come close to that atrocity.
To Anonymous October 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM. Right, I get where you're coming from but Seed gets to the point where it is ALL gimmick, from the get-go the strike and impulse have striker packs that do different things, at one point they all combine, and you get Perfect Strike, and later, they made the We-Should-Have-Done-This-In-The-First-Place packs of the IWSP and the Noir. Then when they couldn't fall back on it much longer they made side units that could do the same things like the Akatsuki and the Calamity. and even worst, in Seed Destiny, each enemy unit was able to transform for a specific topography like some kind of Megaman villain. While both Seed and UC focus on their more militarized units, Seed and Seed Destiny focus on the gimmick way more than utility. While both series are far from realistic, in the UC it at least feels functional as opposed to Seed having fodder units just for the leads to have something to fight.
To AnonymousOctober 16, 2013 at 2:47 PM You know what, I'll give you that. I can admit that the UC isn't perfect, but G-Saviour is a very small portion in the UC that even Tomino voiced his disapproval about while Seed and Seed Destiny are the mainstories of their timeline. I can also admit that I enjoyed Gundam Seed Stargazer and don't feel so shitty about the Gundam Seed Astray and Astray VS mangas. Stargazer and Seed Astray were way different from the feel of the core series and had nothing to do with the main leads. Let me clarify here that I don't hate Seed, I just think that its the fruit that fell a bit too far from the tree in almost every regard. From the get-go, the original art was horrible, the story was subpar, the mecha were baseline, and they relied far too heavily on the original Gundam and Zeta Gundam for ideas. It didn't feel so much like a series than it did "This is how we wanted Gundam to be" by the embodiment of middle-school angst.
"While both Seed and UC focus on their more militarized units, Seed and Seed Destiny focus on the gimmick way more than utility. While both series are far from realistic, in the UC it at least feels functional as opposed to Seed having fodder units just for the leads to have something to fight"
The "gimmick" is the utility. Instead of making GM Command Ground Type and GM Command Space Type or Gouf Custom and Gouf Flight Type, you have a standard frame/design that can have its role modified by the addition of an equipment pack. It's efficient and more cost effect than creating an entirely new mobile suit for specific conditions. Using your own basis, UC is more "Buy New Shit" than Seed in the real world. In the fictional world, Seed is more efficient in use of resources than UC. I don't actually care about "which is better", I'm just responding to your rationale.
"It didn't feel so much like a series than it did 'This is how we wanted Gundam to be'"
Isn't this the point of Alternate Universes? To take the basic themes (and sometimes plot points) of the UC series and tell it in a different setting?
You quote the word "gimmick" as if its irrational for me to point out that the deus-ex-machina-packs are nothing more than that. While the UC has a ton of variants, so does Seed, the Strike Dagger, Windam, Cgue, and Zaku ((Couldn't even come up with their own name here)) has about three or four hardware variants each, and than factional units and packs add even more to that. The problem with Seeds variants is there's no progression, therefore solidifying what I said about their fodder units just being extras for the mains to destroy or simply background. However I will give them a little leeway here because they do have progression to an extent but it is so very bland that it makes it look like hand-me-downs from the far more advanced gundams. For you to call variants in topography a gimmick on equal grounds of the "Why-didn't-we-integrate-these-into-one-thing-in-the-first-place" Packs is like saying our real life jets are gimmicky because they can't go into space like a shuttle. The topography-based variants stopped around UC 0083-0085 due to that magic word "Progress".
The UC's variants on the other hand have shown many times that they not only have progression, but they also give background into other units, for example The Silver Bullet. It is a EFSF variant of the Zeon's captured Doven Wolf that has had its weapons simplified and some of its systems converted for EFSF use. It would later be upgraded to an experimental Fin Funnel variant that became one of the two test-beds for Amuro's Final unit The Nu Gundam. The Doven Wolf itself has tons of backstory too, including a full out development history. Seed rarely gets this indepth while the Universal Century has this for most of its units.
The funny thing about the term "Alternate Universe" is that it ties to a specific subject to be an alternative of. Gundam Seed is NOT an alternate Universal Century. It is its own timeline with its own stories and sidestories. An Alternate Universe to the Universal Century would be something like Gihren's Greed or For The Barrel. This is the problem I have with Seed. It directly emulates if not copies MSG from the get-go while other series take things in new directions, adding depth and variation that sets them aside from other Gundam series. This is why I prefer Gundam 00 to Seed because while it emulated the RX-78 by making the 0 Gundam and 0 Gundam ACD, it was more of an homage. It didn't overstay its welcome, nor did it take the role as a lead unit unlike the Strike. Gundam Seed's main story seems more like a moderately-written fanfic retelling of the Universal Century, not its own timeline.
Hi-Zack, Gabaldy, Barzam. GM, GM II, GM III, Jegan, Jesta. Progression is where? They're all designed to be cannon fodder for the hero. As for Seed's Zaku, that was kind of the point. Seed has its issues from a storytelling point, but the mechanics are largely fine. You continue to miss the point behind the efficiency of a single unit built to to be incredibly flexible versus several mission specific units. Your analogy is faulty because you've forgotten which side you're arguing. First, why would you integrate a system that reduces the flexibility of the design when you don't need to? Second, if a company could develop a jet that could operate in space and atmosphere, they would make it in a second. My point is that a single unit that can handle multiple roles is more efficient and cost effective than creating multiple, environment specific designs. The fact that UC eventually stopped this practice is evidence of that.
Regarding Alternate Universes, I'll cut to the chase and say that your response is rather dim. G, Wing, X, Turn A, Seed, Seed Destiny, 00, and Age are all considered Alternate Universes of the UC series. Each of the AU, takes elements of the UC series and adapts them in terms of storytelling. This has only been common knowledge for around 20 years. However, feel free to continue playing semantics. Strike is as much like the RX-78 as Shining, Wing, X, Turn A, Exia and Age-1 Gundams are like the RX-78. In fact, Age-1 and Turn A are the most like the RX-78 in terms of function (basic frame with rifle, shield and beam sabers). Strike is more exotic in that regard since it incorporates modular weapons. Oh, but that's a "gimmick." And, yes, it is irrational to cherry pick what is and is not a gimmick in what is basically a 35-year-old series of toy commercials. I don't buy into the whole "what's better" nonsense, because it's all personal opinion. However, if you're going to pontificate from your soapbox, your reasoning should at least make sense.
Thank you for your timely response. I love debating with narrow-minded people, but I really love debating with punctual narrow-minded people.
Hi-Zack- An upgraded Zaku II type that has been enhanced to use beam weaponry as opposed to the original being limited to shell-firing weapons.
Galbaldy- An upgraded unit of Zeon's best unit from the One year war being the Gelgoog. It also incorporate ideas from the Gyan. Even better is that the Galbaldy itself is a perfected Galbaldy Alpha, So there's some more progression for you.
Barzam- Is maybe the only one I'll give you due to it being a variant of the Gundam MK-II, but that in itself is more progress.
GM I,II,and III- Are...Are you serious? Do i really need to point this out to you?
Jegan- A perfected GM, it is the epitome of upgrades. Its lighter, more maneuverable, and is overall a better unit. It is also derived from the GM-III and Nemo, giving it that quality of being a multi-topigraphic suit that you keep trying to make a point at.
Jesta- An even further upgraded Jegan that has been designed for near-ace pilots ((The Federation's Black Tri-Stars)) It has been given multiple custom armaments. Think SWAT/Black-Ops unit variant.
Oh look, progress and tons of it. And while you think I miss the point of the striker-packs being multi-functional, I get it, I really do. The problem I have with them is that they suffer the same problem with an even bigger hit, did you ever wonder why I keep calling them "Why-didn't-we-integrate-these-into-one-thing-in-the-first-place" packs?
In Seed, he combines all the packs into one to make Perfect Strike ((Reiterating this)). In Seed Destiny they combine the Striker packs into a crude IWSP pack ((Reiterating this again, are you paying attention?)). Before you go calling this progress, understand that each of the packs for the perfect strike were stationed on one arm each and one on the back, all of which fit together almost like a toy? Even worst they had all the tech from the get-go! Want to talk about Seed being utility, why didn't they just mash it into one pack from the beginning? Or better yet, why didn't they just build it into the unit? Then it would have everything it needed from day one! Wanna know why? Oh you're gonna love this one. because GIMMICKS :D The difference is that Seed is written around its gimmicks as opposed to the gimmicks being written around the story. It is Checkov's Gun, it is Deus Ex Machina, and it is silly. The closest similarity to this is Power Rangers where they get a Power-up armor or their Megazords. Halfway through that series you find yourself asking "How long is it going to be until they bust out the super-weapon?" they might as well be called the "Five-minutes-til-the-end-of-the-episode" Packs. I get the Utility, but its retarded, it doesn't even try to hide that it is a blatant gimmick, made for toys.
And you're right, if we could develop a jet that could go into space, they would make it in an instant...Using all the information about atmospheric re-entry from a shuttle and the Anti-G technology taken from a jet! Things take steps to get somewhere and that is what the UC is trying to portray.
And here is where I'm going to blow your fucking mind. http://dmg04.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/gundam-timeline.jpg
Go ahead, take a look at that. that right there is a shot taken from a book that Tomino has approved, stating that the "Alternate Universes" are in fact separate dimensions! Therefore lowering the fourth wall of "Oh its just a different story" to "Its another dimension". Its no longer semantics when the stories intertwine and are entirely different such as Wing's story for ending war for the sake of peace and politics, 00's story of ending war for the sake of the dialogues to come, Universal Century's Chronicles of a long-waged war, G's fighting competition. Each lead character is also different as well, with differing goals and personalities. The big overhanging similarity is that its Gundam, and that they're giant robots being piloted, for you to not be able to see this makes you more narrow-minded than you claim I am because you don't see the big picture. And in the big Picture both Seed and Age are totally on their own. Before you go trying to say "Durr, see! They're outside the continuity so they're alternate realities" I want you to understand that the creator himself has put them into the continuity book therefore lacing them in to his multi-dimensional world and making it possible to be used at another time, just because its not being used now, does not mean it won't be used later is some more whiny, emo universe owned by what I can only assume is Hot Topic.
And to end this post and turn it back to you, Next time you post, please fact-check your MS's
and try to understand that I'm not trying to say Seed's striker packs are inefficient, I'm saying they're a gimmick, a gimmick that makes little sense and while it seems utility, in the grand scheme of things, they blatantly throw utility out the window for Gimmick. If it were as utility as you say, they would have mashed them together. while the UC takes a more realistic approach on test-bedding things before actual deployment, they wager all kinds of jargon that is used to flesh out their universe, even if it isn't scientifically accurate, they still use it to build mecha around, giving them far more depth than Seed's units ever hope to have.
"If it were as utility as you say, they would have mashed them together." What? No. It's better to have specific roles with different equipment than have everyone lugging multiple assault and sniper rifles they won't ever use.
And since we're already mentioning guns, it's more cost effective and easier to move around if you have a single gun that can shoot different bullet types instead of having multiple guns that can only shoot one type of bullet
BTW, the Minerva was an experimental ship built around the concept of having a multi-role mobile suit with it's support team of 4 Gundams. Now that was a stupidly expensive experiment. Can't argue with the Destiny Gundams being gimmicky but the nature of having multiple weapon setups for one suit is better than having multiple suits for different roles.
And to the Anon above re UC's penchant for wasting a lot of resources creating new non-compatible MS each series/movie, to explain it in universe, MS development in UC was profit and propaganda oriented. When Axis was trying to cost-cut, they ordered some zeon-type designs from Anaheim while AEUG and EA kept ordering Gundams since they intimidated the enemy as a symbol of fighting against incredible odds.
Good thing they fixed this late UC with more modular designs (V)
To AnonymousOctober 21, 2013 at 5:59 AM This is getting silly, Let me reiterate for a third time for you. Later on in seed when they start mass-producing the strike ((As they should have done from the get-go)), they also make most of the striker/silhouette packs obsolete by creating fusion packs such as the IWSP, Noir, and Destiny packs. These packs turn out to be better than most of the single-function packs as they have the best of each pack installed into them. What I am trying to say is that if it is winning and is functional, why not just integrate it? It becomes less clutter and more cost efficient to cut out the pack gimmick entirely now that they have the end all. They don't currently suffer from "Lugging" anything as its all been simplified and rounded out to be better. While having a gun that shoots different bullets is nice and you may think its efficient, you forget that in seed there is the Sky Grasper, so let me add to your analogy. "It is sooo much more efficient to have a gun that can shoot multiple bullets and every time I need a new clip of different ammo, a colorful fucking runner comes out and hands me my new stuff" To which in a real scenario, we would shoot your runner almost instantly, and considering you'd most likely be out in the front lines, that would not be hard.
To AnonymousOctober 21, 2013 at 6:04 AM I understand the whole four gundam thing as a solution, had they not made the Strike. While the Strike was considered a backup that could fill any of the other four's roles, it turned out that it trumped all the other one-trick-pony suits with its striker packs, so why wouldn't they be more efficient and make more Strikes if thats the case? And these are scientists that made this, they would have accounted for that, but for some reason Gundam Seed is devoid of basic logic.
To AnonymousOctober 21, 2013 at 6:23 AM And this is why I love the UC, It follows real war tactics and progression and Late UC shows their progression out of that phase of propaganda and profit.
I still don't understand why people so got around by this one scene which only a Gunpla battle with no sign of Kira or Amuro, the Dijeh even not default color or Amuro custom color (Which is white-orange like it shown on Zeta plus A1)
It must be hatred on SEED to blind you guys to think of it's Kira, I see nothing more than a good Gunpla fight which I agreed it's good. Or did you say so to Gyan VS Wing which can link to M'Quve can beat Heero? No, as you see it's not them actually, just Sasaki and Sei, then nor as this... Nothing related to Kira and Amuro.
I really can't understand you guys, just enjoy the show without bashing others can't be enough?
As much as I loved the UC timeline, I can honestly tell you this match-up is BS. Dijeh is awesome, and the Freedom is no slouch. Even if Amuro is supposedly the better pilot (only by the spatial awareness granted to him by being a Newtype and it's ability to "Matrix" enemy movements to make them easier targets, whereas Kira has superior reflexes, etc that allow him to move his suit like an extension of his own boy, which make any suit far more deadlier that it already is.), the Freedom's capabilities still would have outstripped the Dijeh and made short work if it, despite it being Amuro. Kira would have deflected Amuro's strike, all of you know that. It's just UC favoritism, not being realistic.
Though there skills arwe evenly matched i have to give it to Amuro (also i hate Kira) personally Shiro Amada could beat Kira IN A MOTHER FUCKIN BALL aslo these MS could beat Kira. 1. Efreet 2. Efreet [EXAM] 3. Efreet Nacht 4. Efreet Shneid 5. Efreet Doug Shneid Custom And finally No.6 6. Arch Destiny Gundam (owned by Wackymodder) Like i said this is personally what i think ok. Also Fuck the Strike Freedom give me the Strike Noir and the Astray Noir
Awesome post
ReplyDeleteonly 2 static image and 1 animated gif, how come it's awesome ?
DeleteIt's only "awesome" to the UC fanboys, plus it's just spliced footage so it's not even real.
DeleteIts awesome because the animators of Build Fighters essentially created a proxy battle between gundam protagonists and it ended with the one having the Freedom's signature stock footage not resulting in a win for the Freedom.
DeleteIts all the more awesome because the animators chose one of Amuro's older Mobile suits to overcome Kira's second strongest, so this reinforces the point in the story that its about the pilots skill and not just the MS.
Actually, the scene points out that simply relying on the suit's characteristics on the show will get you dead in gunpla battle; It's been shown at least 2 times: once with the Gyan v Wing battle, and the other during this scene.
DeleteI don't really see the point here; and it basically is a gauge on whether you're mature enough or not, because most mature people would get the lesson of customizing your gunpla over leaving it stock; rather than fanboying it up.
The GIF was good though, I wish they could've used Amuro's Zeta Pilot suit though
Freedom vs Dijeh is a battle of the animated 2nd MS.
DeleteAnd just in the 1st EP, there're several examples that skills and knowing your own machine can get you wins. Sei's dad won the championship with an RX-78 and moves that complement the machine.
On a side note, I prefer the original Dijeh colors for some reason.
10:53 anon
DeleteGundam is completely a work of fiction. None of it (yet) is real.
i'm here to grab a seat.
ReplyDeleteok seed and uc haters. fight!
Hahaha yeah, this should be a good one. Popcorn's ready.
Deletewell , i cant accept that -_-
ReplyDeleteI bet secretseedlover is furious now...
ReplyDeleteAmuro will win since he's the second best pilot in gundam universe after Char. BUT NOT WITH THAT WEIRD LOOKING MOBILE SUIT...
ReplyDeleteIt's not about the machine, it's all about the pilot sir, and also Dijeh is not half bad.
DeleteSecond best after Char? Keep telling yourself that.
DeleteAmuro kicked his ass in 0093 and his Nu tore the Sazabi to pieces without weapons.
And dont call the Dijeh weird. Its unique but nothing strange compared to many other MS designs.
Second best pilot after Char? Funny, it was Char always getting his ass kicked by various characters from Zeta Gundam to Char's Counterattack.
DeleteHe's a superior commander. Amuro is the better pilot (not to mention the more powerful newtype).
By UC 0093, Amuro might be the most powerful active newtype and the most experienced pilot among newtypes.
DeleteOops, yeah, 2nd most experienced after Char. Though I keep forgetting Char's a Newtype since IIRC, he was only shown getting the flash thing and using bits/funnels but was never able to communicate telepathically, communicate with the dead, or show physical manifestation of his powers
DeleteThe scriptwirter is a SEED HATER! XD XD XD
ReplyDeleteAmuro ends Kira's GODLIKE streak!
Then why is a Strike the main Gundam?
Deletehttp://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Marlinfan1995/burn_zps28a042ca.jpg
DeleteWell, if the Dijeh could easily beat, do not think that freedom has a chance against Nu
ReplyDeleteIf Kira returns with the Strike Freedom, Amuro will curbstomp him again with the Nu
DeleteNot to mention the Hi-Nu.
DeleteGundam fans should stay away from this post
ReplyDeletewell Amuro for sure LOL
ReplyDeletedude, want some popcorn? I got some.
Deletewell... it shouldn't end like that easily. i know you can imagine a new type and a coordinator, fighting.it should be epic.
ReplyDeleteI am a UC lover and a SEED hater, but this would be more acceptable if Amuro was using Nu or Hi-Nu and the other guy using Strike freedom.
ReplyDeleteLOL. If only Kira and Amuro actually piloted those in the PV
ReplyDeletewell seed lover got to face the reality pfffttt
ReplyDeleteUC forever !!!!
I want a MG Dijeh now.
ReplyDeleteThis was my thought as well.
Deleteto be honest, SEED was okay.
ReplyDeleteSEED Destiny however, was a trainwreck.
Seed was OK
DeleteSeed Destiny is the worst series ever
Seed wasmore than okay.
DeleteSeed Destiny was realy bad.
G Gundam is the worst Series ever
what? G gundam? seriously?
Deletethe first alternate universe (future century)
the first regenerating gundam (dark gundam, master gundam)
the first sniper type gundam (john bull)
schwarz bruder bruder (ninja + german)
maxter gundam (boxer + cowboy + surfer)
rx-78-2, gp01, gp02, f91, V, V2, wing, talqeese, crossbone X-1, Zambot 3, Daitarn 3, L-Gaim Mark II
and you just said "G Gundam is the worst series ever"
okay then, up to you
Now you're just asking for trouble johnny. That said, I am forever indebted to build fighters for animating this scene lol.
ReplyDeleteExperience wisely Amuro had the advantage... he fought much more aces and newtypes than Kira.
ReplyDeleteKira is also no joke... he's doing his best not to kill and had a perfect mobile suit to avoid killing.
Honestly I don't wanna see them fight but rather I wanna see them fight together against powerful enemies
sample: all Gundams vs ELS =)
then go into Dynasty Warriors Gundam 3 where Amuro and Kira team up vs an entire platoon of enemy M.S and a Big Zam at one end to massacre the entire lot of them. epic scenes indeed!
DeleteHELL YEAH!!!
ReplyDeleteCRY YOUR HEART OUT SEED FANS!!!
It's all the more reason for Bandai to make a HG/MG Dijeh.
ReplyDeleteYesYesYesYesYesYesYes
Deletewhat can i say, amuro wins easily against kira, put amuro in any MS and kira in the strike freedom, and kira will be killled as easily as how this gif goes ahahahahahhahaha, well, probably with the exception of a ball unit
ReplyDeleteUh kira can butt rape amuro any day of the week. This gif is invalid. Besides we all know that setsuna will win between the two with trans am
ReplyDeleteNice try but the real suiton has a profile picture.
DeleteYou must have some depressing life if you imitate people on a gundam blog.
The Ultimate Pussy vs The White Devil who would win?
ReplyDeleteAmuro Ray definitely.
DeleteWow did you really went out of your way to make a blog account after YouTube account? How pathetic you are
DeleteAmuro Ray will always be Three times better than Kira Jesus Yamato
ReplyDeletenow where's my MG dijeh
ReplyDeleteIt goes to show you what a piece of shit SEED is when it gets chopped up in half by superiority.
ReplyDeleteIt really makes you think. "Man, SEED was such a fucking piece of shit."
Maybe this will make the seedfags shut the hell up with their 12 year old minds. GOD FUCKING SPEED
You're cheering for a drawing as though it proved anything in reality and have the nerve to call others 12-year olds? The irony is so delicious. Please continue arguing about whose cartoon boyfriend is tougher. This is awesome.
DeleteDrawing? It's an animated GIF the last time I checked.
DeleteYou seedfags are 12 year old though. It's fact. And if you had any offspring like yourself, they wouldn't pass the 4th grade either.
You might as well just jerk off to kira x assram fan fiction while you're at it on some fan site. What a sad existence, indeed.
An animated gif is a series of pictures. Since those pictures aren't photographs, they are drawings. Thus, you are cheering for a drawing. Goddamn you're stupid.
DeleteGaydarium, what are you up to again? Still didn't take that dick out of your ass?
DeleteDoes this mean Mquve beats Heero?
ReplyDeleteheero is trained like a super human, while sei is just a seedfag who isnt good at the gunpla game
Deletei think heero would win against mqueef.
blind seedhate fag alert!
Deletehe admires the Zaku I models, build VARIOUS models from different series, and made the Build Gundam MKII.
Sei is just a Gundam fan who isnt a bias jerk who bullies or shuns others for liking something you hate
PS I before i get accused for being a seedfag, i actually hate seed and destiny
but hes in a seedfag pilot suit piloting build strike from what he dreams
Deleteseems like a big seedfag to me, "strike" alone is more than enough to imply seedfag. enthusiast or not
so by your logic anyone who like anything seed even tho if they watched and like the other series is a seedfag...
Deleteyup... seedhaters has jumped back to being the the most shitty judgmental sacks of bully fuckheads right above the age haters
Kira has plot armor so thick he cannot die. So he wins by default.
ReplyDeleteNo more like his EGO is that thick that why he survives all the time and because he like to force his and Lacus bullshit logic down other people throats and they must conform to those ideals and if they don't they are considered the enemy.
DeleteThen why it got thrash by Providence and got destroy Impulse you Stupid Dumb Seed Fanboy.
DeleteBandai wins...
ReplyDeleteThen why it got thrash by Providence and got destroy Impulse you Stupid Dumb Seed Fanboy.
ReplyDeleteHey, look Freedom is exactly as crap as I thought it would be.
ReplyDeleteI will never understand why Bandai keeps trying to revamp Seed and Seed Destiny, no matter how much you try and make it look cool, nothing will be more laughable than Seed's attempt at drama.
I give their Mobile Suits a 5/10
they're all really corny and cliche. Aside from the GPB Series, Seed has to be the second loudest in the screaming contest that is "BUY OUR FUCKING TOYS, LOOK AT ALL THE STUPID SHIT IT DOES." This wouldn't be a problem if they weren't a main series.
I give their Story a 3/10
This story is the epitome of laughable. There was no real story-telling to be had here. Gundam Seed's entire gimmick was that it was almost directly referencing every part of original Mobile Suit Gundam. At first I found it fun, seeing someones reiteration of what has been done until I found out from looking at Seed's side stories and realizing "Oh my god...This is their Fuck-it-bin" And by that I mean anything that doesn't line up with UC or any of the other timelines most likely ends up here, things that were about a day late and a buck short. Seed itself was okay, whiny, pretentious and emo, but manageable until the end. It was Seed Destiny where I clapped my hands and yelled "Done!" Because this was the pinnacle of ridiculousness for me, every bit of that story had me feeling embarrassed either for it or myself for watching it. This is the Gundam Series I would give to a whiny child who's having a bad day and tell them "No matter what you do, it will never be as bad as this". However i can admit that Shinn is slightly more likable than Kira in the same regard that getting tazed is better than getting shot.
UC Forever
Seig Zeon
As for me...
DeleteBuild Fighters Forever
Gunpla battle: Go!
Yeah, because UC never tried to sell a kit or toy. What should a mobile suit be able to that isn't "stupid shit"? Keeping in mind that you're describing the capabilities of something that doesn't actually exist.
DeleteAnd UC gave us such wonderful stories like G-Saviour: the worst thing ever to come out of the Gundam franchise. Seed/Destiny doesn't even come close to that atrocity.
DeleteUC's no spring chicken mate.
To Anonymous October 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM.
DeleteRight, I get where you're coming from but Seed gets to the point where it is ALL gimmick, from the get-go the strike and impulse have striker packs that do different things, at one point they all combine, and you get Perfect Strike, and later, they made the We-Should-Have-Done-This-In-The-First-Place packs of the IWSP and the Noir. Then when they couldn't fall back on it much longer they made side units that could do the same things like the Akatsuki and the Calamity. and even worst, in Seed Destiny, each enemy unit was able to transform for a specific topography like some kind of Megaman villain. While both Seed and UC focus on their more militarized units, Seed and Seed Destiny focus on the gimmick way more than utility. While both series are far from realistic, in the UC it at least feels functional as opposed to Seed having fodder units just for the leads to have something to fight.
To AnonymousOctober 16, 2013 at 2:47 PM
You know what, I'll give you that. I can admit that the UC isn't perfect, but G-Saviour is a very small portion in the UC that even Tomino voiced his disapproval about while Seed and Seed Destiny are the mainstories of their timeline. I can also admit that I enjoyed Gundam Seed Stargazer and don't feel so shitty about the Gundam Seed Astray and Astray VS mangas. Stargazer and Seed Astray were way different from the feel of the core series and had nothing to do with the main leads.
Let me clarify here that I don't hate Seed, I just think that its the fruit that fell a bit too far from the tree in almost every regard. From the get-go, the original art was horrible, the story was subpar, the mecha were baseline, and they relied far too heavily on the original Gundam and Zeta Gundam for ideas. It didn't feel so much like a series than it did "This is how we wanted Gundam to be" by the embodiment of middle-school angst.
"While both Seed and UC focus on their more militarized units, Seed and Seed Destiny focus on the gimmick way more than utility. While both series are far from realistic, in the UC it at least feels functional as opposed to Seed having fodder units just for the leads to have something to fight"
DeleteThe "gimmick" is the utility. Instead of making GM Command Ground Type and GM Command Space Type or Gouf Custom and Gouf Flight Type, you have a standard frame/design that can have its role modified by the addition of an equipment pack. It's efficient and more cost effect than creating an entirely new mobile suit for specific conditions. Using your own basis, UC is more "Buy New Shit" than Seed in the real world. In the fictional world, Seed is more efficient in use of resources than UC. I don't actually care about "which is better", I'm just responding to your rationale.
"It didn't feel so much like a series than it did 'This is how we wanted Gundam to be'"
Isn't this the point of Alternate Universes? To take the basic themes (and sometimes plot points) of the UC series and tell it in a different setting?
You quote the word "gimmick" as if its irrational for me to point out that the deus-ex-machina-packs are nothing more than that.
DeleteWhile the UC has a ton of variants, so does Seed, the Strike Dagger, Windam, Cgue, and Zaku ((Couldn't even come up with their own name here)) has about three or four hardware variants each, and than factional units and packs add even more to that. The problem with Seeds variants is there's no progression, therefore solidifying what I said about their fodder units just being extras for the mains to destroy or simply background. However I will give them a little leeway here because they do have progression to an extent but it is so very bland that it makes it look like hand-me-downs from the far more advanced gundams.
For you to call variants in topography a gimmick on equal grounds of the "Why-didn't-we-integrate-these-into-one-thing-in-the-first-place" Packs is like saying our real life jets are gimmicky because they can't go into space like a shuttle. The topography-based variants stopped around UC 0083-0085 due to that magic word "Progress".
The UC's variants on the other hand have shown many times that they not only have progression, but they also give background into other units, for example The Silver Bullet. It is a EFSF variant of the Zeon's captured Doven Wolf that has had its weapons simplified and some of its systems converted for EFSF use. It would later be upgraded to an experimental Fin Funnel variant that became one of the two test-beds for Amuro's Final unit The Nu Gundam. The Doven Wolf itself has tons of backstory too, including a full out development history. Seed rarely gets this indepth while the Universal Century has this for most of its units.
The funny thing about the term "Alternate Universe" is that it ties to a specific subject to be an alternative of. Gundam Seed is NOT an alternate Universal Century. It is its own timeline with its own stories and sidestories. An Alternate Universe to the Universal Century would be something like Gihren's Greed or For The Barrel. This is the problem I have with Seed. It directly emulates if not copies MSG from the get-go while other series take things in new directions, adding depth and variation that sets them aside from other Gundam series. This is why I prefer Gundam 00 to Seed because while it emulated the RX-78 by making the 0 Gundam and 0 Gundam ACD, it was more of an homage. It didn't overstay its welcome, nor did it take the role as a lead unit unlike the Strike.
Gundam Seed's main story seems more like a moderately-written fanfic retelling of the Universal Century, not its own timeline.
Hi-Zack, Gabaldy, Barzam. GM, GM II, GM III, Jegan, Jesta. Progression is where? They're all designed to be cannon fodder for the hero. As for Seed's Zaku, that was kind of the point. Seed has its issues from a storytelling point, but the mechanics are largely fine. You continue to miss the point behind the efficiency of a single unit built to to be incredibly flexible versus several mission specific units. Your analogy is faulty because you've forgotten which side you're arguing. First, why would you integrate a system that reduces the flexibility of the design when you don't need to? Second, if a company could develop a jet that could operate in space and atmosphere, they would make it in a second. My point is that a single unit that can handle multiple roles is more efficient and cost effective than creating multiple, environment specific designs. The fact that UC eventually stopped this practice is evidence of that.
DeleteRegarding Alternate Universes, I'll cut to the chase and say that your response is rather dim. G, Wing, X, Turn A, Seed, Seed Destiny, 00, and Age are all considered Alternate Universes of the UC series. Each of the AU, takes elements of the UC series and adapts them in terms of storytelling. This has only been common knowledge for around 20 years. However, feel free to continue playing semantics. Strike is as much like the RX-78 as Shining, Wing, X, Turn A, Exia and Age-1 Gundams are like the RX-78. In fact, Age-1 and Turn A are the most like the RX-78 in terms of function (basic frame with rifle, shield and beam sabers). Strike is more exotic in that regard since it incorporates modular weapons. Oh, but that's a "gimmick." And, yes, it is irrational to cherry pick what is and is not a gimmick in what is basically a 35-year-old series of toy commercials. I don't buy into the whole "what's better" nonsense, because it's all personal opinion. However, if you're going to pontificate from your soapbox, your reasoning should at least make sense.
Thank you for your timely response. I love debating with narrow-minded people, but I really love debating with punctual narrow-minded people.
DeleteHi-Zack- An upgraded Zaku II type that has been enhanced to use beam weaponry as opposed to the original being limited to shell-firing weapons.
Galbaldy- An upgraded unit of Zeon's best unit from the One year war being the Gelgoog. It also incorporate ideas from the Gyan. Even better is that the Galbaldy itself is a perfected Galbaldy Alpha, So there's some more progression for you.
Barzam- Is maybe the only one I'll give you due to it being a variant of the Gundam MK-II, but that in itself is more progress.
GM I,II,and III- Are...Are you serious? Do i really need to point this out to you?
Jegan- A perfected GM, it is the epitome of upgrades. Its lighter, more maneuverable, and is overall a better unit. It is also derived from the GM-III and Nemo, giving it that quality of being a multi-topigraphic suit that you keep trying to make a point at.
Jesta- An even further upgraded Jegan that has been designed for near-ace pilots ((The Federation's Black Tri-Stars)) It has been given multiple custom armaments. Think SWAT/Black-Ops unit variant.
Oh look, progress and tons of it. And while you think I miss the point of the striker-packs being multi-functional, I get it, I really do. The problem I have with them is that they suffer the same problem with an even bigger hit, did you ever wonder why I keep calling them "Why-didn't-we-integrate-these-into-one-thing-in-the-first-place" packs?
In Seed, he combines all the packs into one to make Perfect Strike ((Reiterating this)). In Seed Destiny they combine the Striker packs into a crude IWSP pack ((Reiterating this again, are you paying attention?)). Before you go calling this progress, understand that each of the packs for the perfect strike were stationed on one arm each and one on the back, all of which fit together almost like a toy? Even worst they had all the tech from the get-go! Want to talk about Seed being utility, why didn't they just mash it into one pack from the beginning? Or better yet, why didn't they just build it into the unit? Then it would have everything it needed from day one! Wanna know why? Oh you're gonna love this one. because GIMMICKS :D
The difference is that Seed is written around its gimmicks as opposed to the gimmicks being written around the story. It is Checkov's Gun, it is Deus Ex Machina, and it is silly. The closest similarity to this is Power Rangers where they get a Power-up armor or their Megazords. Halfway through that series you find yourself asking "How long is it going to be until they bust out the super-weapon?" they might as well be called the "Five-minutes-til-the-end-of-the-episode" Packs. I get the Utility, but its retarded, it doesn't even try to hide that it is a blatant gimmick, made for toys.
And you're right, if we could develop a jet that could go into space, they would make it in an instant...Using all the information about atmospheric re-entry from a shuttle and the Anti-G technology taken from a jet! Things take steps to get somewhere and that is what the UC is trying to portray.
Part 2!
DeleteAnd here is where I'm going to blow your fucking mind.
http://dmg04.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/gundam-timeline.jpg
Go ahead, take a look at that. that right there is a shot taken from a book that Tomino has approved, stating that the "Alternate Universes" are in fact separate dimensions! Therefore lowering the fourth wall of "Oh its just a different story" to "Its another dimension". Its no longer semantics when the stories intertwine and are entirely different such as Wing's story for ending war for the sake of peace and politics, 00's story of ending war for the sake of the dialogues to come, Universal Century's Chronicles of a long-waged war, G's fighting competition. Each lead character is also different as well, with differing goals and personalities. The big overhanging similarity is that its Gundam, and that they're giant robots being piloted, for you to not be able to see this makes you more narrow-minded than you claim I am because you don't see the big picture. And in the big Picture both Seed and Age are totally on their own. Before you go trying to say "Durr, see! They're outside the continuity so they're alternate realities" I want you to understand that the creator himself has put them into the continuity book therefore lacing them in to his multi-dimensional world and making it possible to be used at another time, just because its not being used now, does not mean it won't be used later is some more whiny, emo universe owned by what I can only assume is Hot Topic.
And to end this post and turn it back to you,
Next time you post, please fact-check your MS's
and try to understand that I'm not trying to say Seed's striker packs are inefficient, I'm saying they're a gimmick, a gimmick that makes little sense and while it seems utility, in the grand scheme of things, they blatantly throw utility out the window for Gimmick. If it were as utility as you say, they would have mashed them together. while the UC takes a more realistic approach on test-bedding things before actual deployment, they wager all kinds of jargon that is used to flesh out their universe, even if it isn't scientifically accurate, they still use it to build mecha around, giving them far more depth than Seed's units ever hope to have.
"If it were as utility as you say, they would have mashed them together."
DeleteWhat? No. It's better to have specific roles with different equipment than have everyone lugging multiple assault and sniper rifles they won't ever use.
And since we're already mentioning guns, it's more cost effective and easier to move around if you have a single gun that can shoot different bullet types instead of having multiple guns that can only shoot one type of bullet
BTW, the Minerva was an experimental ship built around the concept of having a multi-role mobile suit with it's support team of 4 Gundams. Now that was a stupidly expensive experiment. Can't argue with the Destiny Gundams being gimmicky but the nature of having multiple weapon setups for one suit is better than having multiple suits for different roles.
DeleteAnd to the Anon above re UC's penchant for wasting a lot of resources creating new non-compatible MS each series/movie, to explain it in universe, MS development in UC was profit and propaganda oriented. When Axis was trying to cost-cut, they ordered some zeon-type designs from Anaheim while AEUG and EA kept ordering Gundams since they intimidated the enemy as a symbol of fighting against incredible odds.
DeleteGood thing they fixed this late UC with more modular designs (V)
To AnonymousOctober 21, 2013 at 5:59 AM
DeleteThis is getting silly, Let me reiterate for a third time for you. Later on in seed when they start mass-producing the strike ((As they should have done from the get-go)), they also make most of the striker/silhouette packs obsolete by creating fusion packs such as the IWSP, Noir, and Destiny packs. These packs turn out to be better than most of the single-function packs as they have the best of each pack installed into them. What I am trying to say is that if it is winning and is functional, why not just integrate it? It becomes less clutter and more cost efficient to cut out the pack gimmick entirely now that they have the end all. They don't currently suffer from "Lugging" anything as its all been simplified and rounded out to be better.
While having a gun that shoots different bullets is nice and you may think its efficient, you forget that in seed there is the Sky Grasper, so let me add to your analogy.
"It is sooo much more efficient to have a gun that can shoot multiple bullets and every time I need a new clip of different ammo, a colorful fucking runner comes out and hands me my new stuff" To which in a real scenario, we would shoot your runner almost instantly, and considering you'd most likely be out in the front lines, that would not be hard.
To AnonymousOctober 21, 2013 at 6:04 AM
I understand the whole four gundam thing as a solution, had they not made the Strike. While the Strike was considered a backup that could fill any of the other four's roles, it turned out that it trumped all the other one-trick-pony suits with its striker packs, so why wouldn't they be more efficient and make more Strikes if thats the case? And these are scientists that made this, they would have accounted for that, but for some reason Gundam Seed is devoid of basic logic.
To AnonymousOctober 21, 2013 at 6:23 AM
And this is why I love the UC, It follows real war tactics and progression and Late UC shows their progression out of that phase of propaganda and profit.
I still don't understand why people so got around by this one scene which only a Gunpla battle with no sign of Kira or Amuro, the Dijeh even not default color or Amuro custom color (Which is white-orange like it shown on Zeta plus A1)
ReplyDeleteIt must be hatred on SEED to blind you guys to think of it's Kira, I see nothing more than a good Gunpla fight which I agreed it's good. Or did you say so to Gyan VS Wing which can link to M'Quve can beat Heero? No, as you see it's not them actually, just Sasaki and Sei, then nor as this... Nothing related to Kira and Amuro.
I really can't understand you guys, just enjoy the show without bashing others can't be enough?
As much as I loved the UC timeline, I can honestly tell you this match-up is BS. Dijeh is awesome, and the Freedom is no slouch. Even if Amuro is supposedly the better pilot (only by the spatial awareness granted to him by being a Newtype and it's ability to "Matrix" enemy movements to make them easier targets, whereas Kira has superior reflexes, etc that allow him to move his suit like an extension of his own boy, which make any suit far more deadlier that it already is.), the Freedom's capabilities still would have outstripped the Dijeh and made short work if it, despite it being Amuro. Kira would have deflected Amuro's strike, all of you know that. It's just UC favoritism, not being realistic.
ReplyDeleteIn reality they would both end up in shambles, but I've got my popcorn so please continue the mindless onslaught of fanboy nausea.
ReplyDeleteall these fanboyism...
ReplyDeleteI lol'd...
Beargguy would trash both of them. Just saying.
ReplyDeleteThough there skills arwe evenly matched i have to give it to Amuro (also i hate Kira) personally Shiro Amada could beat Kira IN A MOTHER FUCKIN BALL aslo these MS could beat Kira.
ReplyDelete1. Efreet
2. Efreet [EXAM]
3. Efreet Nacht
4. Efreet Shneid
5. Efreet Doug Shneid Custom
And finally No.6
6. Arch Destiny Gundam (owned by Wackymodder)
Like i said this is personally what i think ok.
Also Fuck the Strike Freedom give me the Strike Noir and the Astray Noir