what? what the fuck are you on about?? we're talking about shitty part swap transformation here for a 1/144 HG. why are you comparing sizes to a 1/100 scale??
if an old 90's 1/144 ZZ can transform perfectly fine and seperate without part swapping surely they can incorporate that mechanic to a HG 1/144 of today.
the Delta Gundam and Delta Plus HGs were fucking disappointing.
And how does your old prized ZZ proportions compares to the new HGUC, and also the articulations between the two?
I rather have good articulated kit than a fully transformable pile of mess. Asking for full transformation mechanism in HG standard is waay to old. Go away and play with your old kits you oldfag
Partsforming would be best, unless you like your Gunpla extra floppy. The MG Victory has a perfect transformation, and even at that scale it tends to be floppy.
OP is just being pretentious, whining like that won't raise your status to gunpla expert you know? any real gunpla fan would know what is possible and what is better for certain type of kit. Wanting perfect transformation on a such small HG is just showing that you're lacking knowledge and experience with model kit.
well for what it is and it's price im kinda glad not bad i might get it usually new models are 15 $ (1500-1600 yen) but this is 1260 yen( 1300-1200 US$)if you can buy it from a store tht gets shipment directly from bandia
I have that same HG ZZ from the 90's and the old HG is actually pretty stable to almost todays HG standards seeing as it came with actual screws for joints. not only does it transform exactly like the MG version, but it's just as poseable and the proportions are practically correct.
You guys. You're the pretentious ones. You shouldn't really talk out of your asses if you don't actually own one enough to justify it yourselves. Just saying.
Hey, partsforming is a GOOD thing. They are not only very stable and proportionate compared to their fully transforming counterparts, but the elimination of the full transformation gimmick usually ADDS articulation that they wouldn't have otherwise. Almost all of the fully transforming kits I've built have been very wonky, to say the least. I think my MG Wing Gundam TV version is the only decent one, and that's because its transformation so ridiculously simple that a two year old could do it by accident. Compare your fully transforming MG ZZ Gundam or your old 90s HG ZZ to the newer partsforming HGUC ZZ, and then tell me which of the three is better in terms of articulation and stability. Besides, partsformers can still be displayed in both modes, and they still look pretty damn accurate in either mode, so why does it matter what steps you take to get there. It's not like most people are going to be displaying it mid-transformation, or anything.
i don't understand all that fuzz about having a fully transformable model kit, most people will transform it only once and then forget about the transformation. i prefer a solid parts former than a crappy full transformable kit
Why the hell people are still bringing ZZ into this argument? ZZ is a totally different suit with size much larger than Victory. Yes ZZ can transform without parts swapping but that fact is IRRELEVANT at all. And the problem is not whether it can be done or not. The problem is, is it wise to do that? Just because you can, doesn't mean you should
Hey, if the much larger Master Grade couldn't pull off a full transformation effectively, why the hell would you think the tiny High Grade could do it. It's gonna be a partsformer. That's the only smart way to do it. I don't know why people get so worked up about partsformers. They usually look better in both modes, stand better, move better, and there's usually not as much frustration when it comes to the transformation. Like I said before, they still have all the forms, and they usually still look accurate, so why does it matter what steps you have to take to get it from one mode to the other?
I remember the old Macross 7 kits Bandai released, instead of the complicated transformation, they just made the fighter a separate model included with the battroid as a kit. It's great that the fighter's legs doesn't get gerwalk legs due to wear&tear but it kinda sucks that the transformation gimmick is totally lost and you can't make "in between transformation" dioramas.
Since partsforming is in between having a separate model and full transformation, you get the advantage of having sturdier constructs while retaining the tranformation gimmick for some parts. Not a bad deal IMO
Don't worry. I don't think it's been officially stated yet whether or not it'll come with the Hexa head. We only just heard about this kit for the first time yesterday, and we're sure to see more of its features when it comes closer to its release date. Besides, even if the Hexa head isn't included, it's such a small change to the overall design that if Bandai releases the Victory without it, the Hexa is still sure to follow. The real question is will it come with the DASH Pack?
Not having Hexa head is a deal-breaker and honestly, if they try a full transformation, I'm staying the hell away. The MG V Gundam was fucking HORRIBLE because of that shit. Partsform away, I'd rather have a kit that I don't need to super-glue together to display as an MS.
Well yeah sure, but does it seperate into the fighters WITHOUT THE SHITTY PARTS SWAPPING?!?
ReplyDeleteThat woould be the only deal breaker when buying this HG kit or not.
I still have my old HG ZZ from the 90s and it transforms complete with core fighter EXACTLY LIKE THE MG. NO PARTS SWAP/DISASSEMBLY.
ZZ Gundam (22.1 m.) at 1/144 scale still abit large than V Gundam (15.2 m.) at 1/100 scale.
Deletewhat? what the fuck are you on about?? we're talking about shitty part swap transformation here for a 1/144 HG. why are you comparing sizes to a 1/100 scale??
Deleteif an old 90's 1/144 ZZ can transform perfectly fine and seperate without part swapping surely they can incorporate that mechanic to a HG 1/144 of today.
the Delta Gundam and Delta Plus HGs were fucking disappointing.
The old HG ZZ can transform because it's Huge compare to tiny V Gundam. If you cannot understand this, I have nothing to explain any more.
DeleteAnd how does your old prized ZZ proportions compares to the new HGUC, and also the articulations between the two?
DeleteI rather have good articulated kit than a fully transformable pile of mess. Asking for full transformation mechanism in HG standard is waay to old. Go away and play with your old kits you oldfag
Partsforming would be best, unless you like your Gunpla extra floppy. The MG Victory has a perfect transformation, and even at that scale it tends to be floppy.
DeleteStability>>>>>>>>>Floppiness but with gimmicks, therefore, Partsforming>Transforming. Why is this a question?
DeleteOP is just being pretentious, whining like that won't raise your status to gunpla expert you know? any real gunpla fan would know what is possible and what is better for certain type of kit. Wanting perfect transformation on a such small HG is just showing that you're lacking knowledge and experience with model kit.
Deletewell for what it is and it's price im kinda glad not bad i might get it usually new models are 15 $ (1500-1600 yen) but this is 1260 yen( 1300-1200 US$)if you can buy it from a store tht gets shipment directly from bandia
Deletewell the transformation isn't vary complicated so it could work
DeleteI have that same HG ZZ from the 90's and the old HG is actually pretty stable to almost todays HG standards seeing as it came with actual screws for joints. not only does it transform exactly like the MG version, but it's just as poseable and the proportions are practically correct.
DeleteYou guys. You're the pretentious ones. You shouldn't really talk out of your asses if you don't actually own one enough to justify it yourselves. Just saying.
Hey, partsforming is a GOOD thing. They are not only very stable and proportionate compared to their fully transforming counterparts, but the elimination of the full transformation gimmick usually ADDS articulation that they wouldn't have otherwise. Almost all of the fully transforming kits I've built have been very wonky, to say the least. I think my MG Wing Gundam TV version is the only decent one, and that's because its transformation so ridiculously simple that a two year old could do it by accident. Compare your fully transforming MG ZZ Gundam or your old 90s HG ZZ to the newer partsforming HGUC ZZ, and then tell me which of the three is better in terms of articulation and stability. Besides, partsformers can still be displayed in both modes, and they still look pretty damn accurate in either mode, so why does it matter what steps you take to get there. It's not like most people are going to be displaying it mid-transformation, or anything.
Deletei don't understand all that fuzz about having a fully transformable model kit, most people will transform it only once and then forget about the transformation.
Deletei prefer a solid parts former than a crappy full transformable kit
Why the hell people are still bringing ZZ into this argument? ZZ is a totally different suit with size much larger than Victory. Yes ZZ can transform without parts swapping but that fact is IRRELEVANT at all. And the problem is not whether it can be done or not. The problem is, is it wise to do that? Just because you can, doesn't mean you should
DeleteI own the both the old AND new HG ZZ. both have their goods and bads.
DeleteOld 144 ZZ, transformable, no part swap at all, moderate articulation, good proportions.
New HG ZZ. transformable but with assloads of part-swapping, better articulation than old 144 ZZ, good proportions.
But since you guys can't get along, there's only one way to settle this...
REAL GRADE 1/144 Double Zeta. /discussion
Hey, if the much larger Master Grade couldn't pull off a full transformation effectively, why the hell would you think the tiny High Grade could do it. It's gonna be a partsformer. That's the only smart way to do it. I don't know why people get so worked up about partsformers. They usually look better in both modes, stand better, move better, and there's usually not as much frustration when it comes to the transformation. Like I said before, they still have all the forms, and they usually still look accurate, so why does it matter what steps you have to take to get it from one mode to the other?
DeleteI remember the old Macross 7 kits Bandai released, instead of the complicated transformation, they just made the fighter a separate model included with the battroid as a kit. It's great that the fighter's legs doesn't get gerwalk legs due to wear&tear but it kinda sucks that the transformation gimmick is totally lost and you can't make "in between transformation" dioramas.
DeleteSince partsforming is in between having a separate model and full transformation, you get the advantage of having sturdier constructs while retaining the tranformation gimmick for some parts. Not a bad deal IMO
i think i will wait for the V2
ReplyDeleteagreed... let's wait for the V2, because that's all that matter, the mecha itself.
Deletelet the morons quarrel about the transformation.
I wanna smoke what OP is smoking. :3
ReplyDeleteHexa parts, please!
ReplyDeleteDon't worry. I don't think it's been officially stated yet whether or not it'll come with the Hexa head. We only just heard about this kit for the first time yesterday, and we're sure to see more of its features when it comes closer to its release date. Besides, even if the Hexa head isn't included, it's such a small change to the overall design that if Bandai releases the Victory without it, the Hexa is still sure to follow. The real question is will it come with the DASH Pack?
DeleteNot having Hexa head is a deal-breaker and honestly, if they try a full transformation, I'm staying the hell away. The MG V Gundam was fucking HORRIBLE because of that shit. Partsform away, I'd rather have a kit that I don't need to super-glue together to display as an MS.
ReplyDeleteWow. Speak for yourself loser. The MG V I got is pretty stable. no loose joints, doesn't fall apart and transforms from MS to fighters just fine.
DeleteGiven the price, I think it won't have that combination gimmick. That again, Victory Gundam is smaller than most gundam.
ReplyDeleteyeah pretty all gundams after f90 era were pretty much small like f91 and crossbone (which im really hoping for)
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